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December Stocking Drops

OhmOhm Member Posts: 323 ✭✭✭
edited December 2017 in General Discussion
After the long wait and initial hiccups with the gems. Here is what stockings are dropping

Bought 10 Fancy Stockings

S1 Collar of Taming 15 Betting Tickets
S2 Ivory Dice Vorpal Key Gem
S3 Propaganda Pamphlet Truesilver Kegs Gem
S4 Ivory figurine Truesilver Kegs
S5 Grease Armband of Celerity Gem
S6 Grease Magnifying Glass
S7 Token of Creator Vorpal Key Gem
S8 Propaganda Pamphlet Truesilver Axe Gem
S9 Arti Vial Botanical Guidebook
S10 Bookbinder's Trinket Vorpal Key Gem


Bought 5 Grand Stockings (guaranteed gems)

S1 Boomerang Token of Creator
S2 Orb of suppression Gloves of Harvesting
S3 feathered armband Propaganda Pamphlet
S4 Gem of Cloaking Bookbinder's trinket
S5 feathered armband Brooch of the Tempest

Overall, the grand ones are quite underwhelming for what you are paying. Seriously, the loot in them needs to be better than Token of the Creator and Brooch of the Tempest and bookbinder's trinket. You are paying quite a bit more for these compared to fancy ones to have garbage in them (roughly  $50/ stocking)
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  • ZerinZerin Member Posts: 84 ✭✭✭
    Don't whinge - I got 2x familiar from one of my stockings!
    Aodan
  • DimitriDimitri Somewhere coldMember Posts: 338 ✭✭✭
  • SarriusSarrius Member, Beta Testers Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2017
    If grand is underwhelming compared to fancy, this makes my decision on purchasing very easy.

    I'd like to know - are the loot tables distinctly different? Is there overlap? Are the tables actually the same and drop rates are fudged per stocking type? Need these questions answered before I can safely buy and.. honestly.. that kinda stuff should be in our announce posts. :/

    I'd like to know especially what the Extravagant loot table looks like and why it is so much more expensive. It needs to beat 10 fancy stockings in yield or it isn't as intelligent a purchase. Do extravagant stockings hold only artifacts? What's the deal there?

    EDIT: This entire issue could be avoided if we just got rid of the concept of 'dud' rolls. I'm giving this game my IRL cash - why are you going to make my gained value a gigantic Question Mark because you included a bunch of useless duds on the loot table that don't sell for anything? See: @Zerin and her 2x familiar roll.
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  • SarriusSarrius Member, Beta Testers Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You open a fancy chocolate brown and white stocking and find a Brooch of the Tempest (33cr), a Cloak of
    Obfuscate (kept) and a multi-facet gem inside!

    You open a fancy chocolate brown and white stocking and find a caravan crop (50cr) and a gem of radiant
    offerings (66cr) inside!

    You open a fancy chocolate brown and white stocking and find a Monocle of Acuity (66cr) and a gem of
    radiant offerings (66cr) inside!

    You open a fancy chocolate brown and white stocking and find a Token of the Creator, a dragonskin
    quiver (50cr) and a multi-facet gem inside!

    You open a fancy chocolate brown and white stocking and find 15 gladiator betting tickets and a
    caravan crop (50cr) inside!

    You open a fancy chocolate brown and white stocking and find a multi-facet gem, an ebony figurine (kept)
    and wolverine's claws (66cr) inside!

    You open a fancy chocolate brown and white stocking and find a Cloak of Obfuscate (66cr) and a bookbinder's
    trinket inside!

    You open a fancy chocolate brown and white stocking and find a multi-facet gem, a translucent glass
    box (66cr) and a vorpal key (50cr) inside!

    You open a fancy chocolate brown and white stocking and find a lamiran amulet (66cr), a miniature schelkin
    and a tiny reindeer festooned with bells inside!

    You open a fancy chocolate brown and white stocking and find 15 gladiator betting tickets, a multi
    -facet gem and a vorpal key (50cr) inside!

    745?.. plus I ended up trading my bookbinder's trinket too, dunno how much that was worth. Plus 1 100cr artifact and a 1 150cr artifact. Have not sold my gems yet.
    Message #2062  Sent By: (imperian)      Received On: 1/20/2018/2:59"Antioch has filed a bounty against you. Reason: Raiding Antioch and stealing Bina, being a rightass, and not belonging anywhere near Antioch till he grows up."
    Zerin
  • OhmOhm Member Posts: 323 ✭✭✭
    Here is my problem, grand ones should guarantee better outcomes. Because rolling low on a $50 stocking is much more devastating than rolling low on a $15 stocking. As is, the value of a grand one should be 3.33x better. At this point it doesn’t seem anywhere close to that. I want to trade my grand ones to fancy ones considering they had the gem issue and I feel that I’m not getting enough bang for my buck in the grand ones. These things should be monitored and adjusted. No way a 50 USD stocking should have familiars. that is just silly considering it’s not picking 3 times - just the same 2 times 
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  • ZerinZerin Member Posts: 84 ✭✭✭
    Honestly, I think Grand is good value if you want one of the mid-range artifacts off the loot table (I got Gem of Cloaking - I kept this-, Feathered Armlet and a Scorpion's Tail, + soulstone + 3 gems) - so 1100 credit value sans tradein, plus 100 per gem. Even after tradein it was still pretty good.

    Otherwise it does look like Fancy is the way to go. In fairness too, that familiar stocking also gave me a Gem of Cloaking so it balanced out. I just thought it was funny that familiars would be in there at all.
    Ohm
  • LynyssaLynyssa AustraliaMember Posts: 49 ✭✭
    I bought one grand one and got a ring of vitality, a gem, and an ivory figurine.
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    Sarrius
  • WyllWyll Member Posts: 343 ✭✭✭
    This is what you get for nearly 3x the value of a grand stocking and it seems you get the same crap in an extravagant that you get in a grand. Sorry, I'm not buying more to get a bigger 'sample size' at $130 a pop.

    You open an extravagant chocolate brown and white stocking and find a Scorpion's Tail, a multi-facet gem and a wand of reflection inside!

    That tail is worth 400 credits before tradein, 300 after tradein. That wand is 200 before tradein and 132 after tradein.

    I got a total of 332 bound credits for $130. Complete rip off.

    I can spend $10 more and get 400 unbound credits for $140 off the website before the 30% bonus at the moment. I effectively paid 0.39 cents per credit acquired for this stocking.

    Every fancy stocking has pulled a 66 credit tradein item at least with a 50% chance for a gem. One extravagant stocking can get you 8(plus 1 bonus I am not counting) fancy stockings. That's a min of 528 tradein not including gems or the bonus stocking.

    I took one for the team since no one wanted to drop $130 to test out the extravagant, but wow was that underwhelming.
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  • OhmOhm Member Posts: 323 ✭✭✭
    Honestly, we are getting less for spending more. I would hope @Jeremy or the admin in general are more transparent about expected drop rates. For real money things, it feels like a rip off to get less for spending on higher items. Both grand and extravagant are fairly underwhelming.

    If I could, I’d open fancy ones instead of grand ones knowing the drop rates confirmed by Jeremy.
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    WyllAnette
  • GaltGalt Member, Beta Testers Posts: 264 ✭✭✭
    You open a fancy chocolate brown and white stocking and find a dagger of reincarnation and an Ivory Brooch inside!
    You open a fancy chocolate brown and white stocking and find a bucket of wheel grease, a multi-facet gem and wolverine's claws inside!
    You open a fancy chocolate brown and white stocking and find a Token of the Creator, a gangly golden cria, a multi-facet gem and an Anklet of
    Dashing inside!
    You open a fancy chocolate brown and white stocking and find a Token of the Creator, a multi-facet gem and a vialbelt of truesilver kegs inside!
    You open a fancy chocolate brown and white stocking and find a multi-facet gem, a translucent glass box and an Anklet of Dashing inside!

    I'm happy. :hushed:
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  • OzreasOzreas Member, Beta Testers Posts: 235 ✭✭✭✭
    - Fancy stockings have about a 50% chance for a bonus gem.

    You open a fancy green and silver stocking and find a caravan crop and an ivory figurine inside!

    You open a fancy green and silver stocking and find a Propaganda Pamphlet and a steel mallet inside!

    You open a fancy green and silver stocking and find 5 credits, a botanical guidebook and a gangly golden cria inside!

    You open a fancy green and silver stocking and find a Monocle of Acuity and a dagger of reincarnation inside!

    You open a fancy green and silver stocking and find 20 credits and a vialbelt of truesilver kegs inside!

     :'( 
  • ZerinZerin Member Posts: 84 ✭✭✭
    Are fancy stockings still dropping them...? I also bought 3 (4? maybe) yesterday and today and got no gems from them. 
  • WyllWyll Member Posts: 343 ✭✭✭
    It is entirely possible to roll the butt half of 50% too. Because it is 50% each time with no memory of the last roll.
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    You say, "My bottle is empty."
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    Jeremy slaps you on the cheek.
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  • OystirOystir Member Posts: 454 ✭✭✭
    edited December 2017
    I understand that the prizes this time around are *much* more valuable than they were last time there was a stocking event.

    I also understand that giving away free things and upping the value of prizes/lowering the cost of good stockings is all a hit to Imperian's bottom line.

    But I do lament the changes to the promotion since last year. Specifically the removal of the 1 free stocking for everyone, and substituting stockings for every X credits you buy for the 30% credit sale.

    I'm not a gambler by any means - I prefer finite value for my money - so it would just be fun to be able to participate in opening stockings without having to specifically buy a chance with real money. 
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  • EoghanEoghan Member, Immortal Posts: 914 mod
    Oystir said:
    But I do lament the changes to the promotion since last year. Specifically the removal of the 1 free stocking for everyone 
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  • DimitriDimitri Somewhere coldMember Posts: 338 ✭✭✭
    Justus said:
    My memory of older promotions were that in accompaniment of credit purchases, you'd get gift bags or stockings as an aside. Everything now seems to just be glorified gambling. Which is endemic within the gaming industry as a whole, as opposed to a problem that's related to IRE.

    The only people to blame, however, is ourselves. If we didn't buy them, it would be clear that they should try a different tact. Unfortunately, as we elect to spend our money on a % chance of a better prize than the worth of our purchase, this is the predicament one finds oneself in. 

    A touch of self refectlion is necessary here. One shouldn't choose to gamble and then complain about the outcome. 

    I came back after not having played since 2012. The single biggest overwhelming change was the veritable stream of promotional items et al which all seemed to have been borne out of this incessantly popular gambling mechanic. The players created the monster - and what business wouldn't cater to the demands of the player base. 

  • WyllWyll Member Posts: 343 ✭✭✭
    The gambling industry, especially in the US is heavily regulated. Players know the odds before they sit down and play. There are cameras everywhere and there are specific gaming boards that review casinos if they try to cheat players. The problem with 'gambling' in the video game industry is there is no governing body that steps in and stops a gaming company from completely ripping off a customer or pretending you have a certain chance to win an item when you really don't.

    We're not offered the type of transparency that I think is fair here. The closest thing we go so far is.. you get 20% on reg giftbags for a gem, 50% on fancy, and 100% on grand and extravagant.

    Why not publish wheel numbers or drop rates in percentages? Because it would totally hurt them when we realize how low the chances are of us to pull anything exceptional. Hell, I have a better chance on 'sucker bets' at the casino than I do here and the great thing about that is, I have a chance to win RL money and not just some virtual item.

    And these types of promotions really do prey on certain types of people. August phylacteries triggered me so hard I've been on a RL bender since. I am typing this from a casino hotel I've been checked into for the entirety of December pretty much.

    I don't really like the direction that the gaming industry as a whole has shifted to these 'loot box' type of micro transactions, but that is really a discussion for another day.

    But you're right @Justus, I don't complain about losing at the RL casino(I do, but not to this extent) so I don't see why I am complaining here. I think the difference in my mind is the lack of transparency and it is someone behind the code that is manipulating numbers for these outcomes, versus pure luck I can get from a deck of cards or a spin of a roulette wheel.

    I think I am just going to chill out on these gambling promos from now on, because yeah, we have no one to blames but ourselves for continuing to buy in.
    You say, "Oh crap."
    You say, "My bottle is empty."
    Jeremy raises an eyebrow questioningly.
    Jeremy slaps you on the cheek.
  • WyllWyll Member Posts: 343 ✭✭✭
     addictive personalities

    You say, "Oh crap."
    You say, "My bottle is empty."
    Jeremy raises an eyebrow questioningly.
    Jeremy slaps you on the cheek.
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  • GjarrusGjarrus Member, Beta Testers Posts: 617 ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2017
    I have a very addictive personality, and the IRE promotions are so god-awful on top of their horribly over the top prices that they've only gotten maybe $100 out of me and Krys over the past few years. They're just going to keep putting out more power creep to try and snatch your gambling money while the game becomes increasingly out of touch for anyone not willing to drop mad stacks/spend way too much time grinding on an ancient text MUD over the ever expanding list of F2P titles with more sensible monetization and far better gameplay.

    tl;dr Justus is right, and you should boycott this crap.
    AodanAnetteOystir
  • SeptusSeptus Member, Beta Testers Posts: 764 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I figured I would want those goggles eventually.

    You open a grand green and silver stocking and find a fire pendant, a gem of radiant offerings and a multi-facet gem inside!
    You open a grand green and silver stocking and find a Heartwood Bow, a gem of radiant offerings and a multi-facet gem inside!
    You open a grand green and silver stocking and find a festive peppermint-stick vial, a multi-facet gem and a wand of reflection inside!
    You open a grand green and silver stocking and find a bookbinder's trinket, a deep red boomerang and a multi-facet gem inside!
    You open a grand green and silver stocking and find a bookbinder's trinket, a multi-facet gem and a silver ring of meditation inside!
    You open a grand green and silver stocking and find a feathered armlet, a multi-facet gem and an ebony figurine inside!
    You open a grand green and silver stocking and find a mask of lifevision, a multi-facet gem and a translucent glass box inside!
    You open a grand green and silver stocking and find a bucket of wheel grease, a deep red boomerang and a multi-facet gem inside!
    You open a grand green and silver stocking and find a multi-facet gem, a pair of Renascent Armguards and a translucent glass box inside!
    You open a grand green and silver stocking and find a Brooch of the Tempest, a Vorpal Knife and a multi-facet gem inside!

    I traded in everything except the grease and the special gems, made 2261 cr and still have ~1k in gems and two special stockings to open when those come around. Good artefacts too, so if you weren't actually just trading in anything that's a lot better than my yield, which I'm very happy with.

    I also have these bookbinding trinkets and the peppermint vial, but have no idea what those are.

    Essentially, not including gems I got ~2300 cr for the price of 1500. With the gems its more like 3k+. If you actually needed some of those artefacts probably more like 3600-3800 ish (ballpark figure accounting for duplicates). No idea if we have more extravagant info yet (I steered clear because of earlier concerns), but grand seem great to me. I avoided fancy because what I really want are the gems so that guaranteed gem roll was my initial hook.

    For a suggestion, maybe consider making extravagants always give two gems. I'd have considered them if this was the case, but as the primary drive behind the promotion, its hard to justify that increased cost with the same net gems as the grand stockings I feel.
    SarriusAodan
  • PepehiPepehi Member Posts: 9
    You open a fancy chocolate brown and white stocking and find 15 gladiator betting tickets, a caravan
    crop and a multi-facet gem inside!
  • GaltGalt Member, Beta Testers Posts: 264 ✭✭✭
    You open a fancy chocolate brown and white stocking and find a botanical guidebook, a dagger of reincarnation and a multi-facet gem inside!

    You open a fancy chocolate brown and white stocking and find a Stone of Gender Switching, a crystal-lensed magnifying glass and a multi-facet gem
    inside!

    You open a fancy chocolate brown and white stocking and find a Stone of Gender Switching, a multi-facet gem and an Anklet of Dashing inside!

    You open a fancy chocolate brown and white stocking and find a miniature akrabi, a multi-facet gem, a vialbelt of truesilver kegs and an ant farm
    inside!

    You open a fancy chocolate brown and white stocking and find a Monocle of Acuity, a Token of the Creator and a multi-facet gem inside!

    Another good haul :hushed:
    Zerin
  • GaltGalt Member, Beta Testers Posts: 264 ✭✭✭
    You open a fancy chocolate brown and white stocking and find a Stone of Gender Switching, a lamiran amulet and a multi-facet gem inside!

    You open a fancy chocolate brown and white stocking and find a Cloak of Obfuscate, a multi-facet gem and an ebony figurine inside!

    You open a fancy chocolate brown and white stocking and find a caravan crop, a multi-facet gem and an ivory figurine inside!

    You open a fancy chocolate brown and white stocking and find a bookbinder's trinket, a multi-facet gem and an Armband of Celerity inside!

    More gems :hushed:
  • AodanAodan Member Posts: 192 ✭✭✭
    Galt said:
    You open a fancy chocolate brown and white stocking and find a Stone of Gender Switching, a lamiran amulet and a multi-facet gem inside!

    You open a fancy chocolate brown and white stocking and find a Cloak of Obfuscate, a multi-facet gem and an ebony figurine inside!

    You open a fancy chocolate brown and white stocking and find a caravan crop, a multi-facet gem and an ivory figurine inside!

    You open a fancy chocolate brown and white stocking and find a bookbinder's trinket, a multi-facet gem and an Armband of Celerity inside!

    More gems :hushed:
    I would like to see a lady Galt xD
  • ZerinZerin Member Posts: 84 ✭✭✭
    edited December 2017
    They're honestly such good value. I don't really understand the complaints about "gambling" promos, because so far I've (I think) always been better off with these stockings than buying straight credits, even with the 30% sale.
    Aodan
  • GaltGalt Member, Beta Testers Posts: 264 ✭✭✭
    I forgot to add this to my prior posts:

    The grand and extravagant stockings might be great, but they should probably be better gem-wise. Like grand could have 1 gem every time, and a 30% chance of a 2nd gem, and extravagant should give 2 gems.

    I was tempted to get some grand, but as I primarily wanted gems, fancy worked out the best for me.
    Septus
  • JustusJustus Member Posts: 38 ✭✭✭
    Zerin said:
    They're honestly such good value. I don't really understand the complaints about "gambling" promos, because so far I've (I think) always been better off with these stockings than buying straight credits, even with the 30% sale.

    You absolutely can do well out of them! 
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