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So...I was just thinking, after both looking over the spiel about Shamanism and the guild list...why not toss out Vodun, give Limorasi this new demonically-charged skillset for evil Wytches, and throw together perhaps a Nature-based skillset for members of the Wytchen. Split the class into Demonic and Magick. It should have happened a long time ago (i.e. Hunter/Outrider; Assassin/Renegade). The whole Shamanism idea could easily be turned into something relating to the spirits of the Forests (in lieu of Demon Lords), and instead of bone dust, the Magickal Wytch could/would use diamonddust or something along those lines. Hopefully, more would come from this then bonedust and diamonddust, but split the two new skillsets further apart, give dusting to the Limorasi, and some form of totemic/spiritual melee skillset to the Magick Wytch.
Obviously I haven't put much thought into this, else I'd have a greater concept of what to bestow upon the Magick Wytch, but you get the gist.
Ideas? Comments?
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Wytchen/Limorasi Class split With the implementation of "Shamanism"....
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Posted 29 July 2010 - 12:42 PM
No.
Hunter/Outrider split occured because the vast majority of them were AM at the time, but they could not remove the class from celidon without crippling it.
Renegade/Assassin occured because Magick needed toxins.
The wytchen never tried to claim they were pure magick or anything, but instead tried to fence sit and claim neutrality; they were warned, repeatedly, that they'd be forced demonic if they kept trying that, and they did not listen. Then when they were made demonic, they insisted on trying to be independent, and again, were warned about the consequences (The Limorasi charter) but instead chose to ignore it, and are now a doomed guild.
Sometimes, players have to accept that the admin have final control over what happens and that when the admin don't, other players sometimes do. I for one wouldn't want any effort wasted on a guild that utterly refused to listen to repeated warnings, especially because I get the sneaking feeling some of the Wytchen thought if Stavenn DID make a wytch guild, the admin would be somehow obliged to help them by letting them go magickal too.
In summary, the Wytchen guild dug its own grave and it is about time it admitted defeat and laid down dead already. It's nothing but a black hole in to which innocent newbies will vanish, likely to never play again, and it's a home for rejects and people who've pissed everyone off; Why in the hell would anything be done to accomodate it?
Tl;dr, let's ask them to stop the wytchen guild taking new members so it can finally die out.
Hunter/Outrider split occured because the vast majority of them were AM at the time, but they could not remove the class from celidon without crippling it.
Renegade/Assassin occured because Magick needed toxins.
The wytchen never tried to claim they were pure magick or anything, but instead tried to fence sit and claim neutrality; they were warned, repeatedly, that they'd be forced demonic if they kept trying that, and they did not listen. Then when they were made demonic, they insisted on trying to be independent, and again, were warned about the consequences (The Limorasi charter) but instead chose to ignore it, and are now a doomed guild.
Sometimes, players have to accept that the admin have final control over what happens and that when the admin don't, other players sometimes do. I for one wouldn't want any effort wasted on a guild that utterly refused to listen to repeated warnings, especially because I get the sneaking feeling some of the Wytchen thought if Stavenn DID make a wytch guild, the admin would be somehow obliged to help them by letting them go magickal too.
In summary, the Wytchen guild dug its own grave and it is about time it admitted defeat and laid down dead already. It's nothing but a black hole in to which innocent newbies will vanish, likely to never play again, and it's a home for rejects and people who've pissed everyone off; Why in the hell would anything be done to accomodate it?
Tl;dr, let's ask them to stop the wytchen guild taking new members so it can finally die out.
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Posted 29 July 2010 - 01:04 PM
Spectres had the excuse of magick needing toxins.
Outriders had the excuse of many Hunters having years of RP in AM.
Wytchen... what? Tried to fence sitting at every turn, and they wouldn't bring anything to magick. There are two nature guilds and runelore is already handled by runeguards.
Also, why would the admin create ANOTHER skillset just to let a guild live?
Outriders had the excuse of many Hunters having years of RP in AM.
Wytchen... what? Tried to fence sitting at every turn, and they wouldn't bring anything to magick. There are two nature guilds and runelore is already handled by runeguards.
Also, why would the admin create ANOTHER skillset just to let a guild live?
Gurn: When I first started Imperian, I refused to smoke or use tattoos. I quickly changed my mind after my first fight. :(
Talas says, "Doppleganger delivery of hangedman followed by unusually fast prism time, probably artifacted. An instant writhe wasn't fast enough."
Katherine: OMG. I am totally humbled. Galt is telling me not to argue. I will crawl into my hole and die quietly.
Khizan: When the time comes, I'll be ready. Others will flinch at their duty. Not me. I know the signs, I know what to look for, and I know what has to be done. I'm still not looking forward to explaining to my boss why I took a crowbar to a patient's head, though.
Khizan (talking about Antioch's blind obedience to gods): To use D&D terms: There is a difference between Lawful Good and Lawful Stupid.
Guardas (talking about Seraph Shield): Stun and sleep stop it Mr. Completely Unpreventable.
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(Burt): Sanai says, "No wonder Khizan likes cats."
(Burt): Sanai says, "Sleep, play, observe human suffering."
Talas says, "Doppleganger delivery of hangedman followed by unusually fast prism time, probably artifacted. An instant writhe wasn't fast enough."
Katherine: OMG. I am totally humbled. Galt is telling me not to argue. I will crawl into my hole and die quietly.
Khizan: When the time comes, I'll be ready. Others will flinch at their duty. Not me. I know the signs, I know what to look for, and I know what has to be done. I'm still not looking forward to explaining to my boss why I took a crowbar to a patient's head, though.
Khizan (talking about Antioch's blind obedience to gods): To use D&D terms: There is a difference between Lawful Good and Lawful Stupid.
Guardas (talking about Seraph Shield): Stun and sleep stop it Mr. Completely Unpreventable.
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(Burt): Sanai says, "No wonder Khizan likes cats."
(Burt): Sanai says, "Sleep, play, observe human suffering."
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Posted 29 July 2010 - 01:11 PM
Whoa, don't get me wrong...I'm not trying to defend/prolong the life of despair that is the Wytchen. I mean, if no Magick cities want a Wytch/Shaman guild, that's cool. I was just saying (what with this new skillset coming to fruition), that another could be thought up to expand the game. Fk the Wytchen, create a new Wytch guild (Magick-style) with a new skillset. -That's- what I'm saying. To play a Wytch/Shaman that isn't wholly and entirely Demonic, this could lend a new side for both RP (especially the creation/founding), and PK.
God no, I can't believe I was mistaken for being a Wytchen sympathizer. I need to go kill something.
ADD: and both those reasons (for Outriders and Renegades) sound like shite. It'd be a complete dive into a new RP, not a ploy to supply the Magick circle with dolls, sticks, and cursewords. And if it isn't successful, screw it, delete it.
God no, I can't believe I was mistaken for being a Wytchen sympathizer. I need to go kill something.
ADD: and both those reasons (for Outriders and Renegades) sound like shite. It'd be a complete dive into a new RP, not a ploy to supply the Magick circle with dolls, sticks, and cursewords. And if it isn't successful, screw it, delete it.
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Posted 29 July 2010 - 02:32 PM
Killyon, on 29 July 2010 - 02:11 PM, said:
Whoa, don't get me wrong...I'm not trying to defend/prolong the life of despair that is the Wytchen. I mean, if no Magick cities want a Wytch/Shaman guild, that's cool. I was just saying (what with this new skillset coming to fruition), that another could be thought up to expand the game. Fk the Wytchen, create a new Wytch guild (Magick-style) with a new skillset. -That's- what I'm saying. To play a Wytch/Shaman that isn't wholly and entirely Demonic, this could lend a new side for both RP (especially the creation/founding), and PK.
God no, I can't believe I was mistaken for being a Wytchen sympathizer. I need to go kill something.
ADD: and both those reasons (for Outriders and Renegades) sound like shite. It'd be a complete dive into a new RP, not a ploy to supply the Magick circle with dolls, sticks, and cursewords. And if it isn't successful, screw it, delete it.
God no, I can't believe I was mistaken for being a Wytchen sympathizer. I need to go kill something.
ADD: and both those reasons (for Outriders and Renegades) sound like shite. It'd be a complete dive into a new RP, not a ploy to supply the Magick circle with dolls, sticks, and cursewords. And if it isn't successful, screw it, delete it.
Imperian needs less organizations, not more.
The Hunters were the only profession that was split between circles without having any particular resource that either circle absolutely required, but this was due to the guild being so anti-magick at the time that actually giving them to AM would have destroyed Celidon's only guild. In truth, had the Hunters not been a Celidonian guild, they would have undoubtedly been AM-only.
The Wytchen went demonic because Runelore is a skillset that provides an important resource to demonic.
The Renegades went magick because without Toxins, Runeguards were...a very, very sad group of people, and the Black Market is a laughable thing.
The Wytchen do not provide a fundamental balancing resource to magick, and as such, they won't be magick. Ever.
Sagron, on Dec 21 2008, 05:31 AM, said:
When you start flinging yourself into Black Holes, could you take Celidon with you?
Raven4030, on 25 June 2010 - 05:52 PM, said:
3) Newbie-banging. Honestly, their first introduction to the world should not be 'what life is like without pants'.
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Posted 29 July 2010 - 04:01 PM
I clicked the link expecting it to be someone trying to keep vodun.
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Posted 29 July 2010 - 04:03 PM
Two of the Moon-sages classes are expected to be magickal. The Wytchen can go play one of those when they come out.
Gurn: When I first started Imperian, I refused to smoke or use tattoos. I quickly changed my mind after my first fight. :(
Talas says, "Doppleganger delivery of hangedman followed by unusually fast prism time, probably artifacted. An instant writhe wasn't fast enough."
Katherine: OMG. I am totally humbled. Galt is telling me not to argue. I will crawl into my hole and die quietly.
Khizan: When the time comes, I'll be ready. Others will flinch at their duty. Not me. I know the signs, I know what to look for, and I know what has to be done. I'm still not looking forward to explaining to my boss why I took a crowbar to a patient's head, though.
Khizan (talking about Antioch's blind obedience to gods): To use D&D terms: There is a difference between Lawful Good and Lawful Stupid.
Guardas (talking about Seraph Shield): Stun and sleep stop it Mr. Completely Unpreventable.
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(Burt): Sanai says, "No wonder Khizan likes cats."
(Burt): Sanai says, "Sleep, play, observe human suffering."
Talas says, "Doppleganger delivery of hangedman followed by unusually fast prism time, probably artifacted. An instant writhe wasn't fast enough."
Katherine: OMG. I am totally humbled. Galt is telling me not to argue. I will crawl into my hole and die quietly.
Khizan: When the time comes, I'll be ready. Others will flinch at their duty. Not me. I know the signs, I know what to look for, and I know what has to be done. I'm still not looking forward to explaining to my boss why I took a crowbar to a patient's head, though.
Khizan (talking about Antioch's blind obedience to gods): To use D&D terms: There is a difference between Lawful Good and Lawful Stupid.
Guardas (talking about Seraph Shield): Stun and sleep stop it Mr. Completely Unpreventable.
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(Burt): Sanai says, "No wonder Khizan likes cats."
(Burt): Sanai says, "Sleep, play, observe human suffering."
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Posted 29 July 2010 - 08:14 PM
Juran, on 29 July 2010 - 12:01 PM, said:
I clicked the link expecting it to be someone trying to keep vodun.
I lol'd.
Iriaen Nessaja, on Jul 18 2006, 04:30 PM, said:
I assume the [T] in your prompt stands for TREZ IS HERE OMFG
Tekquila, on Feb 28 2009, 01:41 PM, said:
Trez is a WMD imo.
Khizan, on Mar 22 2009, 03:23 PM, said:
Trez speaks words of truth and awesome. Listen to him.
Draven, on Apr 14 2009, 03:52 PM, said:
Trez earned his PK respekt before he scrambled his password.
Kialae, on 12 May 2010 - 05:46 PM, said:
Edit: If you add this to your sig, Trez, I will castrate you.
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Posted 29 July 2010 - 08:41 PM
Labil, on 29 July 2010 - 09:03 AM, said:
Two of the Moon-sages classes are expected to be magickal. The Wytchen can go play one of those when they come out.
lol.
Don't get their hopes up. There won't ever be moonsages.
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Posted 29 July 2010 - 10:56 PM
Jug would beg to differ. Beg to get copies of your newsletter e-mails differ.
Mathiu, on 14 May 2010 - 06:55 AM, said:
WHAT IS THIS?
Khizan, on 14 May 2010 - 07:12 AM, said:
Imperian as it is now, not as it was when you were pretending that being a heavily artifacted bard made you good at the game.
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Posted 30 July 2010 - 12:40 AM
Alarick, on 29 July 2010 - 04:11 PM, said:
Don't get their hopes up. There won't ever be moonsages.
Gurn: When I first started Imperian, I refused to smoke or use tattoos. I quickly changed my mind after my first fight. :(
Talas says, "Doppleganger delivery of hangedman followed by unusually fast prism time, probably artifacted. An instant writhe wasn't fast enough."
Katherine: OMG. I am totally humbled. Galt is telling me not to argue. I will crawl into my hole and die quietly.
Khizan: When the time comes, I'll be ready. Others will flinch at their duty. Not me. I know the signs, I know what to look for, and I know what has to be done. I'm still not looking forward to explaining to my boss why I took a crowbar to a patient's head, though.
Khizan (talking about Antioch's blind obedience to gods): To use D&D terms: There is a difference between Lawful Good and Lawful Stupid.
Guardas (talking about Seraph Shield): Stun and sleep stop it Mr. Completely Unpreventable.
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(Burt): Sanai says, "No wonder Khizan likes cats."
(Burt): Sanai says, "Sleep, play, observe human suffering."
Talas says, "Doppleganger delivery of hangedman followed by unusually fast prism time, probably artifacted. An instant writhe wasn't fast enough."
Katherine: OMG. I am totally humbled. Galt is telling me not to argue. I will crawl into my hole and die quietly.
Khizan: When the time comes, I'll be ready. Others will flinch at their duty. Not me. I know the signs, I know what to look for, and I know what has to be done. I'm still not looking forward to explaining to my boss why I took a crowbar to a patient's head, though.
Khizan (talking about Antioch's blind obedience to gods): To use D&D terms: There is a difference between Lawful Good and Lawful Stupid.
Guardas (talking about Seraph Shield): Stun and sleep stop it Mr. Completely Unpreventable.
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(Burt): Sanai says, "No wonder Khizan likes cats."
(Burt): Sanai says, "Sleep, play, observe human suffering."
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Posted 30 July 2010 - 12:46 AM
Labil, on 29 July 2010 - 12:03 PM, said:
Two of the Moon-sages classes are expected to be magickal. The Wytchen can go play one of those when they come out.
I lol'd. Well, that sucks. I don't want more organizations...I just want more/new skillsets. That's not selfish...right?
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Posted 30 July 2010 - 12:49 AM
Shamanism is a new skillset.
Gurn: When I first started Imperian, I refused to smoke or use tattoos. I quickly changed my mind after my first fight. :(
Talas says, "Doppleganger delivery of hangedman followed by unusually fast prism time, probably artifacted. An instant writhe wasn't fast enough."
Katherine: OMG. I am totally humbled. Galt is telling me not to argue. I will crawl into my hole and die quietly.
Khizan: When the time comes, I'll be ready. Others will flinch at their duty. Not me. I know the signs, I know what to look for, and I know what has to be done. I'm still not looking forward to explaining to my boss why I took a crowbar to a patient's head, though.
Khizan (talking about Antioch's blind obedience to gods): To use D&D terms: There is a difference between Lawful Good and Lawful Stupid.
Guardas (talking about Seraph Shield): Stun and sleep stop it Mr. Completely Unpreventable.
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(Burt): Sanai says, "No wonder Khizan likes cats."
(Burt): Sanai says, "Sleep, play, observe human suffering."
Talas says, "Doppleganger delivery of hangedman followed by unusually fast prism time, probably artifacted. An instant writhe wasn't fast enough."
Katherine: OMG. I am totally humbled. Galt is telling me not to argue. I will crawl into my hole and die quietly.
Khizan: When the time comes, I'll be ready. Others will flinch at their duty. Not me. I know the signs, I know what to look for, and I know what has to be done. I'm still not looking forward to explaining to my boss why I took a crowbar to a patient's head, though.
Khizan (talking about Antioch's blind obedience to gods): To use D&D terms: There is a difference between Lawful Good and Lawful Stupid.
Guardas (talking about Seraph Shield): Stun and sleep stop it Mr. Completely Unpreventable.
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(Burt): Sanai says, "No wonder Khizan likes cats."
(Burt): Sanai says, "Sleep, play, observe human suffering."
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Posted 30 July 2010 - 05:40 AM
Labil, on 29 July 2010 - 08:49 PM, said:
Shamanism is a new skillset.
Killyon said:
I lol'd. Well, that sucks. I don't want more organizations...I just want more/new skillsets. That's not selfish...right?
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Posted 30 July 2010 - 11:47 AM
Killyon, on 30 July 2010 - 06:40 AM, said:
Easy to say, hard to do. Take shamanism and be happy. You want a different skillset? Pick a different class.
Mathiu, on 14 May 2010 - 06:55 AM, said:
WHAT IS THIS?
Khizan, on 14 May 2010 - 07:12 AM, said:
Imperian as it is now, not as it was when you were pretending that being a heavily artifacted bard made you good at the game.
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(Ring): Selthis says, "A bit of the ol slap and tickle before you get the pickle?".