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Demonforce Why is it there?

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 03:13 PM

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Necromancy - Possess

Syntax: POSSESS <corpse> WITH <#> ESSENCE
CALL DEMON or DEMONS

Using your life essence, you can attempt to use it to attract a lesser demon from one of the Demon Planes. If sufficiently interested, a demon will travel the
link that binds the soul to its body, binding with the soul and drawing it to the body.

Should the amount of essence you offer be insufficient, the corpse will instead be animated through your dark arts.

If the possession is successful, the player or creature that has been possessed will rise up in a mockery of its former life, bound to your will.

In the case of players, you may attempt to compel the demon into fulfilling your wishes with: DEMONFORCE <player> <command>. This will require a portion of your
life essence. Should you have an insufficient measure of life essence, the demon will flee the body of its host.


In the case of creatures, you will have a loyal demon that you may order as in HELP MOBILES.


First of all: Yes, Deathknights get a force skill. It costs >75% essence to possess a player, and each demonforce costs 5% essence. Without Zydramir Journals, you're at 0 after five commands, and that's if 75% was enough to get the possess to be successful. This is why no one ever uses it. The eq time is 3.something seconds as Fast I think. I can use demonforce off balance.

Second of all: This skill is completely useless. There's no reason to use it combatively, because if you get the chance, you already have your target's corpse, in fact you have to rezz them, and of course rezzkilling is illegal. And there's no reason to use it for arrpee, because you're castrating yourself combatively spending all of your essence on RP and no one in Stavenn is willing to do that.

What I suggest: Don't just nerf demonforce, completely and totally remove its combat effectiveness. Keep it as a force skill, but only allow the communication commands to be forced: CT/GT/CTP/GTS/RT/OT/CGT/TT/CLT, SAY/SCREAM/etc, YELL, and all emotes. Nothing else. Then dramatically reduce the essence cost so someone might actually use it.

This way, I can possess an Antiochian I kill and make them say things to the rest of Antioch on my behalf and etc as I've done before, but I can't rob Kilikousu for killing my hound (or fail to rob Draven for enf/abs).

I asked Clotho to name a situation that I'm actually allowed to use demonforce in. This is the response I got:

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#390 Sent By: Clotho Received On: 07/20/14:18 Last Read: 07/20/14:18
"You can use demonforce in a roleplay situation amongst your friends and allies, for rituals or the like. You can possess an enemy in an open field, and then
ignore your enemy, hoping and praying that he will attack you and give you a sufficient reason to attack him back."

You sent the following message to Clotho: You realize this will never, ever happen, right?

#391 Sent By: Clotho Received On: 07/20/14:19 Last Read: n/a
"And that would be perfectly acceptable, from our perspective."

If the skill is going to be useless, I'd rather it be useless with a low cost. And you can't reduce the cost without also reducing the potential for harm.

View PostIriaen Nessaja, on Jul 18 2006, 04:30 PM, said:

I assume the [T] in your prompt stands for TREZ IS HERE OMFG

View PostTekquila, on Feb 28 2009, 01:41 PM, said:

Trez is a WMD imo.

View PostKhizan, on Mar 22 2009, 03:23 PM, said:

Trez speaks words of truth and awesome. Listen to him.

View PostDraven, on Apr 14 2009, 03:52 PM, said:

Trez earned his PK respekt before he scrambled his password.

View PostKialae, on 12 May 2010 - 05:46 PM, said:

Edit: If you add this to your sig, Trez, I will castrate you.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 03:25 PM

Personally, I despise force skills, and especially the forced undeath thing. I wouldn't bat an eyelash if Possess and Demonforce were erased and forgotten. I can appreciate that you aren't asking for some kind of buff, though. As far as a change goes, you probably wasted a topic, as sad as it may be.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 03:29 PM

Being able to do both sides of teh mudsex was always fun :(

View PostTau, on 13 July 2010 - 12:50 AM, said:

It was Ahkadeyrn. They seem to do everything together.


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Posted 20 July 2010 - 03:59 PM

View PostTrez, on 20 July 2010 - 04:13 PM, said:

(or fail to rob Draven for enf/abs).


But ya didn't fail to entertain.

View PostSagron, on Dec 21 2008, 05:31 AM, said:

When you start flinging yourself into Black Holes, could you take Celidon with you?


View PostRaven4030, on 25 June 2010 - 05:52 PM, said:

3) Newbie-banging. Honestly, their first introduction to the world should not be 'what life is like without pants'.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 04:18 PM

I never do.

View PostIriaen Nessaja, on Jul 18 2006, 04:30 PM, said:

I assume the [T] in your prompt stands for TREZ IS HERE OMFG

View PostTekquila, on Feb 28 2009, 01:41 PM, said:

Trez is a WMD imo.

View PostKhizan, on Mar 22 2009, 03:23 PM, said:

Trez speaks words of truth and awesome. Listen to him.

View PostDraven, on Apr 14 2009, 03:52 PM, said:

Trez earned his PK respekt before he scrambled his password.

View PostKialae, on 12 May 2010 - 05:46 PM, said:

Edit: If you add this to your sig, Trez, I will castrate you.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 04:37 PM

Giggity(?)
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 04:41 PM

Trez trying to rob people shocks me... keep going lower, Trez. Especially for an inadvertant enfeeble/absolve.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 04:46 PM

Ain't no rule

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"As soon as I saw all of those mages to choke..and Fieran declared my final relearn in Kaido was over..it was like I became a fat man at a buffet line."

View PostApoloc, on 14 May 2010 - 07:00 PM, said:

It's a sad state of affairs, but sadly much like a school for the handicapped taking a field trip to an electrical plant. Retards end up in power.

View PostArmatureZero, on 26 August 2010 - 11:31 AM, said:

None of the douchebaggery towards me is truth. Sorry.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 04:51 PM

View PostGuardas, on 20 July 2010 - 12:41 PM, said:

Trez trying to rob people shocks me... keep going lower, Trez. Especially for an inadvertant enfeeble/absolve.


I disagree Guardas.

Trez trying to rob people because of enf/abs isn't shocking at all.

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View PostTekquila, on 22 April 2010 - 05:31 PM, said:

Guardas != People.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 04:59 PM

And robbing someone for killing a pet (which is your own fault for letting it happen) is even sleazier.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 06:06 PM

Demon resurrection and demon force is dumb. How to fix? Delete.

Trez doing anything he can to 'get revenge' when he feels slighted? Not shocking. Par for course.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 06:24 PM

View PostAhkanS, on 20 July 2010 - 02:06 PM, said:

Trez doing anything he can to 'get revenge' when he feels slighted? Not shocking. Par for course.


It was sarcasm you know :P
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 06:42 PM

The funny thing is that Trez simply sat there and thought I was going to remain on balance for him to rob me. :(

View PostSagron, on Dec 21 2008, 05:31 AM, said:

When you start flinging yourself into Black Holes, could you take Celidon with you?


View PostRaven4030, on 25 June 2010 - 05:52 PM, said:

3) Newbie-banging. Honestly, their first introduction to the world should not be 'what life is like without pants'.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 06:50 PM

View PostDraven, on 20 July 2010 - 07:42 PM, said:

The funny thing is that Trez simply sat there and thought I was going to remain on balance for him to rob me. :(


It's called strategy. You wouldn't understand, baddie.
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Posted 20 July 2010 - 07:07 PM

I'm guessing it's cool now to rob Stavennites whenever they kill a Pred wolf. Since you know, pet kills mean that you get team robbed.

And why stop at enf/abs? Obviously when I was teamed 5 on 1 in the Modin once I should have retaliated by team robbing all of those Stavennites.

Ain't no rule.
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