[Raven4030]

As I said before, there isn't nearly as much noob slaying as there was going on in the old days. In fact, just so it's clear, I'll quote the only parts in which even the noobiest of noobs would be getting killed, anything beyond that is because somebody is going out of their way to be disrespectful (like calling the Harbinger stupid) or otherwise unbecoming of a Diavlous (skipping merrily around the gates even when told several times to stop).

GHELP INITIATE said:

- Know your way out of a truelock. No Diavlous should ever fall because
thier ability to heal themselves is disabled, if you learn the skills
required of you, you'll know your way out. To demonstrate this, you'll
be paralyzed, rendered asthmatic, slick, and anorexic. Afterwards
cyanide will be applied, if you die, you can try again when you know
what you did wrong. Before taking this test ask somebody how to pass it.
You are young, you are new, you do not know the world yet, and if you
expect to fight on the same level as everybody else learn now to ask for
help.

Note how I clearly state 'ask somebody because you honestly don't know how to pass this'. I do this so that asking for help shouldn't be considered a sign of weakness, but following orders. Alas, most seem to fail this one

GHELP MYRMIDON said:

At this time you will be required to take a curing course. This must be
done through the Combat Head, one of his aides, or another officer of
the guild. Passing this will be at their behest, so it is suggested that
you are prepared prior to asking for it. Being ill prepared will result
in a failure and vivisection.

This one requires a functioning curing system and the ability to recognize when you're being beaten not by a poorly coded system but by the other guy exploiting game mechanics. It's very possible to pass this one, though most fail the first time because they don't realize the trick (which I won't spoil here), once they know the trick it becomes easy for them and the loss of a metric butt-load of toxins for me.

Furthermore, both tests stick to the ultimate flavor of training warriors, while it's true I offer a non-combat sect I have combat training a requirement. The flavor I'm going for is an evil, sadistic version of the Marine corps, while cutting out all the unfun bits that come with it (you might have laughed at Lee Ermy's abuse of Pyle, but you weren't paying attention if you wanted to be in Pyle's shoes. Lots of people want to be Marines, but you've never heard anybody say they want to be a Recruit).

[sadie]

I died to the healing test, though I think that was a more difficult one to do with vivisect. I had switch to a different healing queue to survive the affliction stack.

The myrmidon one is much simpler and what you learn from that is something everyone should learn.


Anyway, I think these sort of tasks are great. They not only teach people, but also give you a real sense of direction, something to work toward. A lot like Stavenn itself does with the servitor and proletarian tasks.

[Raini]

Though I may not ever return to Stavenn simply because I lack the resources to build a new character. I will say this:

STAVENN IS AWESOME

There.

The RP is strong, they weed out a lot of the sort of non-rp ooc playfulness that I see elsewhere and they try to stick to role. It's a goal oriented place where your character can -really- find a place for themselves and find somewhere where the character can feel comfortable and fun to play. They also have a series of great coders, Robo-Sadie included who you can ask for help and advice for things with in case you're ever stuck creating a piece of code or don't understand something. Also, once you do finally get to know the people on a somewhat OOC basis, you'll find out they're reasonably nice and logical. It's just a fun place to be.

[Leisane]

Raini, on 08 March 2010 - 02:15 AM, said:

Though I may not ever return to Stavenn simply because I lack the resources to build a new character. I will say this:

STAVENN IS AWESOME

There.

The RP is strong, they weed out a lot of the sort of non-rp ooc playfulness that I see elsewhere and they try to stick to role. It's a goal oriented place where your character can -really- find a place for themselves and find somewhere where the character can feel comfortable and fun to play. They also have a series of great coders, Robo-Sadie included who you can ask for help and advice for things with in case you're ever stuck creating a piece of code or don't understand something. Also, once you do finally get to know the people on a somewhat OOC basis, you'll find out they're reasonably nice and logical. It's just a fun place to be.

I am Imperator Leisane, and I approve this message.

(This message paid for by the Stavenn is Awesome Committee)

[Draven]

Ashel, on 08 March 2010 - 01:57 AM, said:

I just wanted to make a parody post because all the Antiochans were doing it.

That it could be potentially useful is a side-effect.

You're so full of crap.

You did it because you wanted to make that awesome opening advertisement. Now you're just getting greedy by joshing the Antiochians.

[Ashel]

Draven, on 08 March 2010 - 02:21 PM, said:

You're so full of crap.

You did it because you wanted to make that awesome opening advertisement. Now you're just getting greedy by joshing the Antiochians.

Can't I do both?

[Tau]

The thing that DK's have going for them is that if a novice is really set on being a knight combatant, they don't lose any of their skills when they switch from Am or Magick to Demonic.

Secondly as a knight combatant that isn't a DK as soon as you fight them a few times you'll see how the blow the Skunk out of all other knight classes. We'll see it could just be a bit of a lag, but I'm sure the guild will prosper.

[Aeorden]

Tau, on 08 March 2010 - 03:50 PM, said:

The thing that DK's have going for them is that if a novice is really set on being a knight combatant, they don't lose any of their skills when they switch from Am or Magick to Demonic.

Secondly as a knight combatant that isn't a DK as soon as you fight them a few times you'll see how the blow the Skunk out of all other knight classes. We'll see it could just be a bit of a lag, but I'm sure the guild will prosper.

Except, you know, half of smithing and devotion, which is a huge chunk. :V

[Labil]

Smithing translates the same as Chivalry. Only Devotion/Runelore/Necromancy aren't equivalent.

[Draven]

Tau, on 08 March 2010 - 02:50 PM, said:

The thing that DK's have going for them is that if a novice is really set on being a knight combatant, they don't lose any of their skills when they switch from Am or Magick to Demonic.

You lose 50% of Necromancy/Runelore/Devotion.

Yes, you get to keep all of Smithing (rofl) and all of Chivalry. But if you're tritrans, you'll likely give up Smithing so you can dualtrans.

[Tau]

I thought the knights if journeyman could straight across keep their skills over all three skillsets. Chivalry would turn into brutality, runelore into necromancy or if you are going Am into devotion.

[Draven]

Tau, on 08 March 2010 - 04:54 PM, said:

I thought the knights if journeyman could straight across keep their skills over all three skillsets. Chivalry would turn into brutality, runelore into necromancy or if you are going Am into devotion.

The only time you get to retain your skills is when the class you are going to has the same skillsets.

I.E. A Druid going Hunter would be able to keep bonding. A Runeguard going Wytchen would get to keep Runelore. A Hunter going Outrider loses nothing, nor would an Assassin going Renegade. Priests get to keep Devotion when going Templar...follow the pattern?

[Juran]

More specifically:

You still lose your skills when you quit and regain half of your invested lessons. However, if the next class you pick up uses any of the same skills as your last, you'll start with half of those skillsets pre-trained. That training, plus the lessons you got from quitting, ends with a net loss of zero.

[Tekquila]

Interesting piece of information that I'm unsure is listed anywhere, changing from Hunter to Outrider you keep all your skills, changing from Outrider back to Hunter again you will keep all your skills, but going for that third swap you won't. Or so I've been told, it's not something I've had cause nor desire to test myself.

[Raven4030]

Yah, it's something I think happened to Ashel. I think I remember the justification being that after a certain point you start gaining lessons for free so they coded the system to keep that from happening. Don't remember exactly how it works though.