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Posted 25 July 2010 - 12:36 PM

View PostJuran, on 25 July 2010 - 07:30 AM, said:

Prismatic barrier is terrible (the more you know).

The only really effective use I've found is protecting (splicers|cancelers|monolith capturers) while they do things they can't input commands for.
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 01:25 PM

View PostLionas, on 25 July 2010 - 08:36 AM, said:

The only really effective use I've found is protecting (splicers|cancelers|monolith capturers) while they do things they can't input commands for.


And that only works because Druids get a projected one that can be used after someone starts a channeled effect. Every other version of prismatic barrier is terrible.
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 05:08 PM

I'd rage over Pit being taken away, but no reason to. I think we'll still be stomping people into the ground just like we do without Pit all the time. It was just really humorous to see that one guy get pinched in right before it opened.
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 07:38 PM

Fix soulspear too so AM can find something else to complain about.

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WHAT IS THIS?

View PostKhizan, on 14 May 2010 - 07:12 AM, said:

Imperian as it is now, not as it was when you were pretending that being a heavily artifacted bard made you good at the game.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 08:54 PM

Since I can't find that post and Trez said that isn't possible, I will retract my statement regarding soulspears being trasferable.
Gurn: When I first started Imperian, I refused to smoke or use tattoos. I quickly changed my mind after my first fight. :(
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:33 PM

View PostLabil, on 25 July 2010 - 03:54 PM, said:

Since I can't find that post and Trez said that isn't possible, I will retract my statement regarding soulspears being trasferable.

Not transferable and they only shatter shield. This doesn't sound so OP to me considering what it takes to get one. If anything make it so if the corpse died from pk it can only be evoked by its killer.
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 10:00 PM

View PostRork, on 25 July 2010 - 05:03 PM, said:

This doesn't sound so OP to me considering what it takes to get one. If anything make it so if the corpse died from pk it can only be evoked by its killer.
Thank you for the second statement, because the first one was the same that was used to support having several truenames of a person.

Also it is worth to note that, while you can't get a truename and a heart from the same body, you can get a truename AND a soulspear from the same body. That should be changed as well.

Considering that the other two circles can't do much (if anything, apart of offering) with a demoner's corpse, assuming they weren't undead and such there is not corpse at all, it isn't exagerated.
Gurn: When I first started Imperian, I refused to smoke or use tattoos. I quickly changed my mind after my first fight. :(
Talas says, "Doppleganger delivery of hangedman followed by unusually fast prism time, probably artifacted. An instant writhe wasn't fast enough."
Katherine: OMG. I am totally humbled. Galt is telling me not to argue. I will crawl into my hole and die quietly.
Khizan: When the time comes, I'll be ready. Others will flinch at their duty. Not me. I know the signs, I know what to look for, and I know what has to be done. I'm still not looking forward to explaining to my boss why I took a crowbar to a patient's head, though.
Khizan (talking about Antioch's blind obedience to gods): To use D&D terms: There is a difference between Lawful Good and Lawful Stupid.
Guardas (talking about Seraph Shield): Stun and sleep stop it Mr. Completely Unpreventable.
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 10:41 PM

There's a whole lot of bitter in this thread.
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 11:16 PM

Can we have Garryn change the game so we can't use any sort of bitter emotes in an Obelisk room?

View PostMathiu, on 14 May 2010 - 06:55 AM, said:

WHAT IS THIS?

View PostKhizan, on 14 May 2010 - 07:12 AM, said:

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 05:35 AM

View PostLabil, on 25 July 2010 - 06:00 PM, said:

Considering that the other two circles can't do much (if anything, apart of offering) with a demoner's corpse, assuming they weren't undead and such there is not corpse at all, it isn't exagerated.

Right, lets take away the fundamentals of necromancy.

Better yet, lets have every skill in the game work in the exact same way. Retardation should require a corpse to be used, so should standing a totem.

View PostIriaen Nessaja, on Jul 18 2006, 04:30 PM, said:

I assume the [T] in your prompt stands for TREZ IS HERE OMFG

View PostTekquila, on Feb 28 2009, 01:41 PM, said:

Trez is a WMD imo.

View PostKhizan, on Mar 22 2009, 03:23 PM, said:

Trez speaks words of truth and awesome. Listen to him.

View PostDraven, on Apr 14 2009, 03:52 PM, said:

Trez earned his PK respekt before he scrambled his password.

View PostKialae, on 12 May 2010 - 05:46 PM, said:

Edit: If you add this to your sig, Trez, I will castrate you.
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Posted 26 July 2010 - 06:26 AM

No, I'm saying that ONE corpse giving a combat advantage to TWO classes in the same go is too much, specially with undead denying corpses to the other circles.

In any case, since you are saying that so many battles are giving Stavenn a lot of soulspears and whatnow, Stavenn wouldn't note the diference with this change.
Gurn: When I first started Imperian, I refused to smoke or use tattoos. I quickly changed my mind after my first fight. :(
Talas says, "Doppleganger delivery of hangedman followed by unusually fast prism time, probably artifacted. An instant writhe wasn't fast enough."
Katherine: OMG. I am totally humbled. Galt is telling me not to argue. I will crawl into my hole and die quietly.
Khizan: When the time comes, I'll be ready. Others will flinch at their duty. Not me. I know the signs, I know what to look for, and I know what has to be done. I'm still not looking forward to explaining to my boss why I took a crowbar to a patient's head, though.
Khizan (talking about Antioch's blind obedience to gods): To use D&D terms: There is a difference between Lawful Good and Lawful Stupid.
Guardas (talking about Seraph Shield): Stun and sleep stop it Mr. Completely Unpreventable.
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(Burt): Sanai says, "Sleep, play, observe human suffering."
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Posted 26 July 2010 - 06:50 AM

I misread then, I thought you were complaining that Stavenn gets an advantage from corpses, yet no other circle has the ability to do that. I'm fine with restricting the deadly duo. I don't honestly see the point of complaining that you never get corpses due to undead, when you gain no offensive benefit from them. Shrines can be filled by the ever present bashing community.

Undead is a double edged sword, though one edge is quite a bit duller. I don't get a corpse to grab if my allies die while undead, unlike antimagick who can rezz multiple times a fight. This doesn't compare much to +2 con in all honesty, but when I'm deathknight and tanky anyway, I'll skip the +2 con for the possibility of being animated midfight.

In somewhat related news I'd like to see devotioners get some kind of draw heart lookalike, instead of the submerge your enemy option.

View PostIriaen Nessaja, on Jul 18 2006, 04:30 PM, said:

I assume the [T] in your prompt stands for TREZ IS HERE OMFG

View PostTekquila, on Feb 28 2009, 01:41 PM, said:

Trez is a WMD imo.

View PostKhizan, on Mar 22 2009, 03:23 PM, said:

Trez speaks words of truth and awesome. Listen to him.

View PostDraven, on Apr 14 2009, 03:52 PM, said:

Trez earned his PK respekt before he scrambled his password.

View PostKialae, on 12 May 2010 - 05:46 PM, said:

Edit: If you add this to your sig, Trez, I will castrate you.
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Posted 26 July 2010 - 07:34 AM

Nah, I don't want the circles to be the same. However, I would like some of the more glaring disbalances to be reduced.

And yeah, after playing a Devotioner, using a lot of Devotion for consecrations, I would also welcome a way to recover devotion from an slain enemy diferent from submerging them.
Gurn: When I first started Imperian, I refused to smoke or use tattoos. I quickly changed my mind after my first fight. :(
Talas says, "Doppleganger delivery of hangedman followed by unusually fast prism time, probably artifacted. An instant writhe wasn't fast enough."
Katherine: OMG. I am totally humbled. Galt is telling me not to argue. I will crawl into my hole and die quietly.
Khizan: When the time comes, I'll be ready. Others will flinch at their duty. Not me. I know the signs, I know what to look for, and I know what has to be done. I'm still not looking forward to explaining to my boss why I took a crowbar to a patient's head, though.
Khizan (talking about Antioch's blind obedience to gods): To use D&D terms: There is a difference between Lawful Good and Lawful Stupid.
Guardas (talking about Seraph Shield): Stun and sleep stop it Mr. Completely Unpreventable.
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(Burt): Sanai says, "No wonder Khizan likes cats."
(Burt): Sanai says, "Sleep, play, observe human suffering."
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Posted 26 July 2010 - 09:05 AM

Sorry, posting before finishing first cup of coffee leads to bad reading comprehension skills. Ignore this.
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Posted 26 July 2010 - 03:28 PM

View PostLabil, on 26 July 2010 - 03:34 AM, said:

And yeah, after playing a Devotioner, using a lot of Devotion for consecrations, I would also welcome a way to recover devotion from an slain enemy diferent from submerging them.


Rites of Prayer restore Devotion. True it's been made harder since now "kneeling" is cancelled by any action, but it's still there for some extra restoration once an IG month.

For Priest I don't think it's necessary to have a corpse restore devotion, but it is a nice bonus. For Templar I almost think it necessary for the use of Damnation (and have the corpse un-resurrectable and not destroyed), if we ever want to get them off of the sabre-whoring.
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