Horde Caravans

TheophilusTheophilus Member Posts: 734 ✭✭✭✭
Horde caravans are no longer a system being put to use. Most cities have completed their research (and thus do not require quartz), and our small playerbase makes it difficult to gather a group. They can be solo-ed or duo-ed if one has WAR powers to CALL SENTRIES, but that requires 1) building beacons with quartz and 2) the rewards simple do not make the juice worth the squeeze.

I think the system should be removed entirely via an RP horde event that stops their caravaning, or the system be revamped (preferred).

It would be cool if they acted similarly to shardfalls. Random caravans with three-four average guards appear throughout Aetherius with a chance for larger convoys to appear every few hours or so (this would require a team of two or three). The small caravans might net 5 plunders or so with rewards such as gold or commodities to be sold for gold or shards. The larger caravans might net temporary arties or stat soulstones (just something a little more worthwhile since it will be more difficult and require more gold). We might even add a quest for caravaning (i.e. kill the leader of a convoy of caravans and return his corpse for substantial gold, kill small caravans [receive gold after plundering so many].

Either way, the system is outdated and needs to be removed or changed considering current rewards and the resources needed to accomplish them.

I know there are other things in the works, but this is worth looking at as well. No sense in CT being spammed that caravans are crossing through when nobody uses them.
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  • EoghanEoghan Member, Immortal Posts: 785 mod
    As a matter for the record, it was intended for caravans to be a mandatory conflict mechanism for cities; commodity production outside of caravans is intended to be slightly lower than the upkeep required (notably food commodities for guards).

    Things haven't really worked out that way, due to a number of factors surrounding commodity production. The biggest issue that I see are the commodity rituals in the moon ritual trees. Because of that, I plan to remove them at some point in the near future (as soon as I come up with something to replace them with).

    I don't want to derail this thread, so discussion of commodity production and replacements for those rituals will take place in this new thread.
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  • TheophilusTheophilus Member Posts: 734 ✭✭✭✭
    When I caravan, I think more about the gold and potential soulstones I might get. Commodities only matter to me if they bring me gold. The problem is I can only solo in Eastern Nolmines where we have beacons. It shouldn't be a requirement to be a war minister and to have sufficient beacons to participate. Even if you change comm stuff, I'm not sure that will make caravans interesting again. Huge potential to add some RP here and also provide tangible reward + activities to do.
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  • GjarrusGjarrus Member, Beta Testers Posts: 433 ✭✭✭
    Like I said in the other thread, mat production rates going up and other production methods getting nerfed would make caravans far more attractive in that regard.

    As for beacons, it was always my opinion that there should be a global sentry cooldown. That at least allows some fighting outside of fortified areas, but requiring some investment to get better at it is okay to me. I also definitely think sentries should be a War power, either way.

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  • SarriusSarrius Member, Beta Testers Posts: 1,472 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @Eoghan

    If caravans are meant to be a conflict system, then please point us in that direction with any changes you make. I feel as if caravans should be automated for all cities, a la Horde caravans, and the conflict comes from protecting your trade routes. This would also play in to a territory control system like my suggestion for leylines, and also might eventually lead to a Towne conflict system after close to a decade (maybe more) of expecting something like that.
    Theophilus
  • GjarrusGjarrus Member, Beta Testers Posts: 433 ✭✭✭
    I'd be okay with both city/towne caravans and horde caravans.

    Oh, also, quartz needs to be used in more places. It's basically the uber city objective commodity at this point.
    Sarrius
  • TheophilusTheophilus Member Posts: 734 ✭✭✭✭
    Towne caravans (revamped version) for comms would be cool, and horde caravans for objectives/rewards outside of comms and for RP potential would, too.
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  • SarriusSarrius Member, Beta Testers Posts: 1,472 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 9
    Gjarrus said:
    I'd be okay with both city/towne caravans and horde caravans.

    Oh, also, quartz needs to be used in more places. It's basically the uber city objective commodity at this point.
    Much like shards, once we stop needing them, the system becomes less compelling to use. If you take anything away from this thread, take this away. Never build obsolescence (usually via ubiquity, in Imperian's case) in to your system. Shard research was built short sighted in that regard.
    Theophilus
  • TheophilusTheophilus Member Posts: 734 ✭✭✭✭
    I simply want to be able to solo stuff (bosses, caravans) for reward, and then assemble a team and tackle it for even greater reward.

    Smaller bosses vs. bigger bosses, single caravan vs. convoy.

    And I don't want the rewards to be quartz nobody needs anymore or for it to require special city privileges.

    That's all I'm saying with this. Give us a way to generate income in the form of gold, temp arties, whatever without mindless bashing an area. Throw in a challenge, but make it soloable in some instances since our playerbase is small for less reward.
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  • OystirOystir Member Posts: 388 ✭✭✭
    Ftr I can solo a caravan of around 5-6. The thing I cannot handle is the GD caravan trader. Even cheesing and shielding and using all types of active healing, he has never gotten below 20% with my damage output.
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  • TheophilusTheophilus Member Posts: 734 ✭✭✭✭
    Oystir said:
    Ftr I can solo a caravan of around 5-6. The thing I cannot handle is the GD caravan trader. Even cheesing and shielding and using all types of active healing, he has never gotten below 20% with my damage output.
    Is this without calling sentries?

    The trader hits hard af.. :( Even with 10 sentries on him, and I have all con arties possible.
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  • OystirOystir Member Posts: 388 ✭✭✭
    No sentries. Not gunna lie I don't even know how to use them/if we have them.
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